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		<title>Loneliness: the inability to face reality?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a Church as big as the Catholic one, there are thousands of little corners of spirituality. A friend invited me to check one of them out, a group called Communion and Liberation, and basically they spent about an hour discussing the reflections of one of the group&#8217;s leaders. The passage they read that evening [...]]]></description>
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<p>In a Church as big as the Catholic one, there are thousands of little corners of spirituality. A friend invited me to check one of them out, a group called <a href="http://www.clonline.org/FirstPage.htm" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.clonline.org/FirstPage.htm?referer=');">Communion and Liberation</a>, and basically they spent about an hour discussing the reflections of one of the group&#8217;s leaders.</p>
<p>The passage they read that evening concludes with the reflection that, we sometimes flee from reality because it is too overwhelming. It describes this as &#8220;loneliness, which is nothing but inability to face reality.&#8221;</p>
<h3>Are we really supposed to face reality?</h3>
<p>Now, there&#8217;s lots to argue with here, especially for a contrarian like myself. I mean, is this really the best definition of loneliness? But I have to admit that loneliness strikes me most when I&#8217;m feeling overwhelmed, like I just can&#8217;t face life anymore &#8211; at least, I can&#8217;t face it alone.</p>
<p>And it occurred to me that maybe, if human nature is inherently social, if I am really not fully human unless I&#8217;m engaged in relationship with other people, I&#8217;m not supposed to face reality alone. Maybe it&#8217;s just the way things are, maybe even the way things are supposed to be, that life is too big and too difficult and too confusing for me to deal with.</p>
<p>In other words, maybe my frustration, anger, fear, sadness, and loneliness come from a false assumption: that I&#8217;m supposed to be somehow entirely self-sufficient, that I&#8217;m somehow big enough to face reality on my own.</p>
<h3>Facing reality with a friend</h3>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve been blessed with some of the finest friends in all of history. Not only do they put up with my endless noodling through abstract ideas and my needless nitpickiness about the exact etymological meaning of words, not only do they agree to see the tedious movies I want to watch and play the tedious games I want to play, not only do they eat my cooking with no greater objection than adding a bit of salt, but they constantly teach me new things about the world and how to live in it.</p>
<p>In fact, every time I&#8217;ve found myself really able to face some piece of reality that&#8217;s getting in my face, whether it&#8217;s a burnt piece of toast or the loss of a job or the prosecution of an unjust war, it&#8217;s only been because of a friend. Left to myself, I curl up into a ball in the darkest corner I can find. But with a friend by my side &#8211; or even on the long end of a phone line &#8211; I find a strength and a resilience that is greater than I possess in myself.</p>
<p>And maybe, just maybe, that&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s supposed to be.</p>
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		<title>Quick spiritual reflection</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been meditating on a passage from the Bible: What have you that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if it were not a gift? (1 Corinthians 4.1; RSV) It occurred to me that most of my own vices come from the desire to have something that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been meditating on a passage from the Bible:</p>
<blockquote><p>What have you that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if it were not a gift? (1 Corinthians 4.1; RSV)</p></blockquote>
<p>It occurred to me that most of my own vices come from the desire to have something that is <strong>my own,</strong> something that I have accomplished by my own power or that I have made for myself. But since my very life is a gift, and my ability to do anything at all &#8211; to think or to work with my hands, to say nothing of the availability of the internet or even of language &#8211; all this is something given to me, not something I have made or could have made on my own, then I have no grounds for claiming anything in the world as entirely my own.</p>
<p>I have contributed to many good things. I have used my gifts well (and badly too, but that&#8217;s another post). But none of it is <strong>mine</strong> in the sense that I desire it to be. And that&#8217;s because my desire is out of step with reality.</p>
<p>Instead, it is mine as a gift to me. It is mine as something I have received, whether from my parents or from my friends or from the society that I live in or from God. So, instead of claiming it as my own, I will practice being grateful for it. After all, that&#8217;s the proper attitude toward a gift.</p>
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		<title>Paradoxical patriotism</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always feel awkward around the Independence Day holiday. I&#8217;m not by inclination a patriot, just as I&#8217;m not by inclination a church-goer. I am both these things because I&#8217;ve come to see that my own inclinations, or desires, or vices, have led me astray from reality. So I recognize the honor that is due [...]]]></description>
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<p>I always feel awkward around the Independence Day holiday. I&#8217;m not by inclination a patriot, just as I&#8217;m not by inclination a church-goer. I am both these things because I&#8217;ve come to see that my own inclinations, or desires, or vices, have led me astray from reality.</p>
<p>So I recognize the honor that is due to the nation of my birth, and my own responsibility to be as good a citizen as I am able. I just have a hard time bringing any emotional *umph* to the celebration.</p>
<p>I also recognize that, while I&#8217;m inclined to focus on the naughtiness of my nation and my speculations on how it ought to change, there is a real need to celebrate what is good and true and virtuous in the United States of America. Perhaps it is especially important for someone like myself to participate in the celebration, exactly as a corrective to my own erroneous inclinations.</p>
<h3>The virtue of patriotism</h3>
<p>Thomas Aquinas does not list &#8220;patriotism&#8221; among the virtues, but he does note that all people are both subject to law and responsible for the good of society, and that Justice requires respect for authority and Charity requires action for the good of one&#8217;s fellows. As he puts it,</p>
<blockquote><p>Consequently, this very act of loving someone because he is akin or connected with us, or because he is a fellow-countryman or for any like reason that is referable to the end of charity, can be commanded by charity, so that, out of charity both eliciting and commanding, we love in more ways those who are more nearly connected with us. (<a href="http://newadvent.org/summa/3026.htm#article7" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/newadvent.org/summa/3026.htm_article7?referer=');">ST II-II q26 a7</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>These are what make up the essence of patriotism: loving one&#8217;s country and fellow citizens <strong>exactly because they are one&#8217;s fellows.</strong> It is closely related to the love of family, whom we do not choose but whom we must love anyway, whether we like it or not. Family and country are, in a sense, a school of charity; they teach us how to love even when loving is difficult.</p>
<p>Ironically (given the whoop-de-do about Church and State in this particular country), it is the Catechism of the Catholic Church that, I think, states most clearly what patriotism is all about:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is the <em>duty of citizens</em> to contribute along with civil authorities to the good of society in a spirit of truth, justice, solidarity, and freedom. The love and service of <em>one&#8217;s country</em> follow from the duty of gratitude and belong to the order of charity. (<a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7W.HTM" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P7W.HTM?referer=');">CCC 2239</a>; emphasis in the original.)</p></blockquote>
<p>What is critical, to me at least, about this approach is the balance it strikes: one&#8217;s country is to be loved, but not because it is better or stronger or more worthy than any other nation; rather, exactly because it is <strong>one&#8217;s own.</strong> I did not choose to be born an American; but I was, and it is as an American that I love the U.S.A. A Canadian or a Chinese  might love the U.S.A. for some other reason. Perhaps they admire the American ideal, or perhaps they enjoy economic benefits from America, or any number of other reasons. But my own love of my country is founded simply on the fact that it is mine, or rather, that I belong to my country in a similar way that I belong to my family.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m tempted to add a video of one of my favorite patriotic satires here, but instead I&#8217;ll just <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2r9t6l_eE8" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2r9t6l_eE8&amp;referer=');">provide a link</a>.)</p>
<h3>American virtues</h3>
<p>So, given that it&#8217;s not at all to my credit that I am American, what is it that I&#8217;ll celebrate with grilling and fireworks and other forms of pyromania today?</p>
<p>First off, I&#8217;ll celebrate the very good things I have myself received from the United States: a certain economic opportunity, even in difficult times such as these, to make ends meet without resorting to undignified or immoral work; a definite social opportunity to meet and converse with people from all walks of life and all regions of the country (and even the world), and to learn from their experiences; the English language which, thanks to American dominance following WW2 (augmenting the impact of English colonialism), has become a global language, giving me the advantage of communication with those I would otherwise have no connection; a political system that provides real opportunity (even if limited and corrupted by &#8220;special interests&#8221;) to contribute to and impact the governance of the society I live in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also celebrate the genuine good that the United States has done in the world: through the citizens&#8217; works of charity, of scholarship, of invention; and through the occasionally wise governmental policies, such as developing our highway system or contributing to the reconstruction of Germany and Japan after WW2.</p>
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<p>Celebrating the good does not mean I stop critiquing the bad; it simply means I acknowledge that there is virtue to be found even among rampant vice. It means I extend to my country the same charity I extend to my neighbors and myself. I will celebrate my brother&#8217;s birthday, even if my brother is a criminal; I will celebrate my friend&#8217;s success, even if my friend is often a fool. So, although I am highly critical of many aspects of American politics and culture, I will celebrate America&#8217;s birthday with both gratitude and joy. In other words, I will practice the virtue of patriotism, trusting that both I and my country will grow toward greater virtue through practice.</p>
<p>And besides, who can pass up an opportunity for grilled meat?</p>
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		<title>Why human nature is important</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amy noted that some of the posts and comments were becoming &#8220;a bit too philosophical for [her] bent.&#8221; By that, I think she meant that the conversation had grown so abstract that it was no longer connected to real life. There&#8217;s probably some truth in her observation. I tend toward abstraction &#8211; or, as my [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.virtue-quest.com/2010/06/the-morality-of-nature/comment-page-1/#comment-318">Amy noted</a> that some of the posts and comments were becoming &#8220;a bit too philosophical for [her] bent.&#8221; By that, I think she meant that the conversation had grown so abstract that it was no longer connected to real life.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s probably some truth in her observation. I tend toward abstraction &#8211; or, as my grade school teachers put it, I&#8217;m a space cadet. At the same time, I insist that abstract philosophy is not, or at least <strong>should not be</strong>, opposed to practical action in everyday life. My goal for myself is to think clearly and live according to what I think.</p>
<p>One of the areas my own thought gets awfully muddy is around the question of what it is to be human. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s important to me to make sure my thinking is clear. Otherwise I start acting, well, inhumanely.</p>
<h3>The human creature in its native environment</h3>
<p>The first thing that I forget about human nature is that I am finite: I am limited, mortal, not self sufficient. Now, all this is normal and natural; it&#8217;s actually good, because connection with other people is included in the very definition of humanity. But I find myself awfully attracted to those fantasies of unlimited, immortal, sufficient people like James Bond or Odysseus or Fitzwilliam Darcy. (Granted that none of them are fully self-sufficient or properly immortal, but their stories do not die, and give them the illusion of perfection.)</p>
<p>So when I start acting as if I know everything, or like I am the hero of some grand epic, I wind up looking foolish. I say something stupid, showing the limits of my knowledge; or I do something that hurts either myself or someone else, betraying my lack of heroism.</p>
<p>And the reason this happens is because my actions run contrary to my nature; they defy reality. Reality sets limits to what I can do. Reality demands that I ask others for help, that I admit when I am wrong, that I defer to those more skilled or more experienced than myself. When I refuse to act in accordance with reality, when I contradict my nature, then the inevitable result is failure and harm.</p>
<h3>How to know nature</h3>
<p>Now, bob (and others) raised a very good point: sure it&#8217;s easy to claim something like mortality as a universal aspect of human nature; but seeing how widely human culture varies around the globe, how can we know what really is &#8220;human nature&#8221; (and therefore what are rights, duties, just laws, etc.) and what is just local custom?</p>
<p>My answer is, basically, not to use the variations as a distraction from what we have in common. All of us are mortal. All of us are dependent on one another. This alone is sufficient, it seems to me, to justify a promotion of community and a prohibition against murder. All of us are dependent on using things: tools, clothing, and other objects; this means that morality has to deal with the notion of property and prohibit theft.</p>
<p>It goes further, though: it is part of human nature to think, to communicate, to engage in relationships that go beyond mere practicality or survival. We have more ways to engage in these human acts than there are grains of sand on the beach, but we all do them. A person who has lost the ability to communicate has lost one of the essential activities that we call &#8220;human.&#8221; Such a person is tragic, and the magnitude of his or her loss is itself an indication of the centrality of thought, communication, relationship to living a fully human life.</p>
<p>Let me be clear: such a person is still fully human; but handicapped, in the way that an amputee is fully human, but lacking a limb. Morality still applies in a complete way to this person. There is no excuse for considering someone &#8220;less than human&#8221; or &#8220;no longer human&#8221; just because he or she is injured or disabled.</p>
<p>But an injury or a disability &#8211; by the very fact that we recognize it as &#8220;bad&#8221; and as a loss &#8211; is itself an indicator of where the full nature lies. And this is not something contingent on culture or opinion: there is no culture that recognizes someone with only one arm as &#8220;normal,&#8221; to say nothing of &#8220;privileged.&#8221; Whether they treat the disabled with special respect or with derision, the recognition of disability is one of the constants across cultural lines. It is therefore one indicator of the reality and objectivity of human nature.</p>
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		<title>The morality of nature</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 00:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First off, I just want to say, &#8220;Thank you!&#8221; to readers Jeana and bob, who in the past week or so have helped me fulfill one of my goals for this blog: to generate provocative and intriguing conversation. Thanks! So, in continuing the question of whether there&#8217;s any such thing as &#8220;natural rights&#8221; &#8211; or, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I just want to say, &#8220;Thank you!&#8221; to readers Jeana and bob, who in the past week or so have helped me fulfill one of my goals for this blog: to generate provocative and intriguing conversation. Thanks!</p>
<p><div class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 260px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/3953933832/in/set-72157623035133947/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/3953933832/in/set-72157623035133947/?referer=');"><img title="Twin Keck Telescopes Probe Dual Dust Disks - by NASA Goddard Photo and Video" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2568/3953933832_3760f7beb2.jpg" alt="" width="250" height="200" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">In principium, Deus creavit...</p></div>So, in continuing the question of whether there&#8217;s any such thing as &#8220;natural rights&#8221; &#8211; or, more generally, what Thomists call &#8220;natural law&#8221; &#8211; the next step is to consider &#8230; the Order of the Universe!</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m serious. By &#8220;order,&#8221; I mean specifically teleological order. In non-techno-babble, that means, whether things are <em>in and of themselves</em> directed to an end beyond themselves. The classic example is the eye: the eye is ordered toward the sense of sight, and so an eye that does not see is a &#8220;bad&#8221; eye.</p>
<h3>Order and morality</h3>
<p>Now, someone might object that you can&#8217;t blame the eye for being blind. And that&#8217;s true. So it&#8217;s important to distinguish between what&#8217;s called &#8220;ontological evil&#8221; and &#8220;moral evil.&#8221; &#8220;Ontological evil,&#8221; or evil in &#8220;being,&#8221; is simply the lack of full existence or perfection in a thing. A diseased tree, or a collapsed bridge, or a blind eye is &#8220;bad&#8221; because it lacks the fullness of what it is to <strong>BE</strong> a tree, or a bridge, or an eye.</p>
<p>&#8220;Moral evil,&#8221; on the other hand, involves the freedom of the will. Without personal freedom, there can be no &#8220;bad&#8221; or &#8220;evil&#8221; except in the ontological sense. For something to be evil in a moral sense, it must be a bad <strong>choice</strong></p>
<p>Now, according to Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas and those who follow their tradition, the mind has several major parts, two of which are <em>the intellect</em> and <em>the will</em>. The purpose of the intellect is to understand things abstractly. The purpose of the will is to choose freely. If the intellect has a problem &#8211; for example, my intellect has great difficulty grasping poetry and metaphor, but thrives on mathematics &#8211; then we recognize that as a problem in the mind. I tell people that I&#8217;m &#8220;bad&#8221; with poetry, and they know what I mean.</p>
<p>If the will has a problem, it affects a person&#8217;s ability to choose freely. Sometimes this is a mental illness; for example, a psychopath is not free to act empathetically, or even responsibly. But often, we limit our own freedom by our very choices themselves. If I choose to insult you, I am no longer free to be your friend.</p>
<h3>The slavery of vice</h3>
<p>Now, part of the nature of the will is to develop habits. Habits are to the will what memory is to the intellect: they keep us from having to re-invent the wheel every time we hit the road. So, a virtuous habit is one that protects, or even extends the freedom of the will. Vice, on the other hand, increasingly limits the will&#8217;s freedom.</p>
<p>But this freedom is not freedom to do anything at any time; it is freedom to fulfill the nature of the person. It is freedom to pursue the good.</p>
<p>The best image I&#8217;ve found is that of a piano keyboard. Anyone at any time is free to hit any key or combination of keys on the keyboard. (This is what <a href="http://www.virtue-quest.com/reading-list/">Pinckaers</a> calls &#8220;freedom of indifference.&#8221;) But only someone who has practiced a great deal is free to play Debussy, or to compose an original work of music.</p>
<p>Now, every moment of every day, our will faces at least 88 possible choices of what to do next. If we practice making those choices well, with an idea of harmony or rhythm or beauty in mind, then we will develop habits that allow us to make more interesting and more complex and more, well, <strong>good</strong> choices. The will really does become more free, more fulfilled in achieving its purpose.</p>
<p>But if we simply hammer away at life according to mood or blind emotion, like a piano student who refuses to adopt proper posture or fingering, then we limit our freedom and risk hurting both ourselves and the instrument &#8211; that is, everybody around us.</p>
<h3>Natural morality</h3>
<p>This view of the human person, one who has a purpose or an end in both being and acting, and whose purpose is to pursue greater and greater goods, is the foundation of any theory of natural rights, or natural law, or natural morality of any kind.</p>
<p>Some thinkers have tried to do away with &#8220;human nature&#8221; without losing universal morality, but I haven&#8217;t found any of them (that I&#8217;ve read) to be convincing.</p>
<p>Others have noted that it&#8217;s incredibly difficult to pin down exactly what&#8217;s involved in &#8220;human nature&#8221; and have accepted that rejecting nature also means rejecting any universal morality. But then why do even they act as if moral questions remained vital? Dostoyevski&#8217;s <em>Crime and Punishment</em> is a brilliant exploration of the problems with this way of thinking.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s largely why I&#8217;m convinced that there really is such a thing as human nature, and that the nature of the will is to choose freely, and that virtue is the true path to freedom and fulfillment and happiness.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve been talking too much. Looking forward to continuing the conversation.</p>
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		<title>If we have natural rights, do we also have natural lefts?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A reader named bob commented on a previous post: Simply asserting that rights are moral concepts does not make them so, otherwise I could assert anything. This followed on an argument about whether &#8220;I have a right&#8221; could imply an &#8220;ought&#8221;, such as, &#8220;you ought to respect my right.&#8221; My point was that it is [...]]]></description>
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<p>A reader named bob <a href="http://www.virtue-quest.com/2010/05/alasdair-macintyre-on-human-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-285">commented</a> on a previous post:</p>
<blockquote><p>Simply asserting that rights are moral concepts does not make them so, otherwise I could assert anything.</p></blockquote>
<p>This followed on an argument about whether &#8220;I have a right&#8221; could imply an &#8220;ought&#8221;, such as, &#8220;you ought to respect my right.&#8221;</p>
<p>My point was that it is one thing to say, &#8220;I have a right to free speech,&#8221; and another to say, &#8220;I have a wicked left hook.&#8221; Both are assertions of fact. But the first is a moral assertion whereas the second is merely descriptive. This is because (as I stated in my reply to bob) &#8220;right&#8221; is itself a moral concept: like justice, or love, or honor, the term itself contains &#8220;ought&#8221; as well as &#8220;is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I think bob took me to be saying that &#8220;right&#8221; is a morally <em>good</em> or <em>valid</em> concept. So he gives the following examples:</p>
<blockquote><p>By declaring “rights” as inherently moral, just because we define them as such, we open the door to use that language to justify anything. I have the right to eat ice cream. I have the right to drink beer. </p></blockquote>
<p>I had no intention of playing either Tweedle-dum or Tweedle-dee. Rather, I meant that by using the language of rights, we automatically involve judgments about obligations and relationships between persons, because such judgments are contained in the definition of &#8220;right&#8221;.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean we have to assent to every claim of a right. It only means we need to take it seriously as a moral claim, and judge whether the claim is true or not.</p>
<h3>Natural rights and civil rights</h3>
<p>Now, I take it for granted that we can all agree about civil rights. Civil rights are rights granted by the State, such as the right to vote or the right to remain silent. These rights can be revoked. They may be limited to a certain group of people such as, citizens, or adults over the age of 18, and so on. The question of whether so-and-so has a <em>civil</em> right to such-and-such can be determined in a court of law.</p>
<p>What bob calls into question is whether there are (or can be) natural rights, also known as &#8220;rights of Man&#8221; or &#8220;human rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good question. In my previous post, I stated that a right is sort of the flip side of a duty. If you have a duty toward me, then I have a right to what is due me. If I have a right, then someone has a duty to respect that right. So, even though I think there&#8217;s far too much talk these days about rights, and far too little about duty, I&#8217;m willing to fight for the reality of rights. If there are no such things as rights, then it seems to me that there are likewise no such things as duties.</p>
<p>Now, a natural right (or a natural duty) is one that follows from nature. That is, the basis and foundation of these rights (and duties) is my human nature.</p>
<p>But a right is a kind of ownership of something, and a duty is a kind of debt. Both are kinds of relationships to other people. They do not exist in an isolated individual, but they necessarily exist in a community. You cannot interact with other people for very long without agreeing about who may or may not do this or use that.</p>
<p>So, the question is, is human nature essentially communal or individual? Are we meant to live together in mutual support, or are we independent and therefore competitive when we encounter one another.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a critically important question, but I&#8217;ll leave it for another post.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a punchy quote from After Virtue that, I think, summarizes the heart of his argument: I remarked in Chapter 13 that when teleology [I'll explain this below the quote - RK], whether Aristotelian or Christian, is abandoned, there is always a tendency to substitute for it some version of Stoicism. The virtues are now [...]]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a punchy quote from <em>After Virtue</em> that, I think, summarizes the heart of his argument:</p>
<blockquote><p>I remarked in Chapter 13 that when teleology [I'll explain this below the quote - RK], whether Aristotelian or Christian, is abandoned, there is always a tendency to substitute for it some version of Stoicism. The virtues are now not to be practiced for the sake of some good other, or more, than the practice of the virtues itself. Virtue is, indeed has to be, its own end, its own reward and its own motive. It is central to this Stoic tendency to believe that there is a single standard of virtue and that moral achievement lies simply in total compliance with it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, first off, let me translate <strong>teleology</strong>. That&#8217;s philosophical techno-babble for an inherent purpose or direction in things themselves. So, a common example is an eye: the eye is <em>for</em> seeing, so sight is the purpose or <em>end</em> of the eye. An eye is directed toward sight, so sight becomes a standard of goodness internal to the eye itself. The major debate is whether the human person has such an end, and what that implies. Aristotle&#8217;s idea was that the purpose of human life is to contemplate abstract truth. Christianity&#8217;s idea is usually called &#8220;heaven&#8221; but is often put in similar terms as Aristotle: to gaze on the face of God.</p>
<p>The Stoics, and their Enlightenment inheritors, disconnected the idea of moral action from any goodness for the moral person. It&#8217;s not seen as virtuous to do the right thing if you&#8217;re getting anything out of it for yourself.</p>
<h3>Major guilt trip</h3>
<p>This, more than anything the nuns did to me as a kid, is the source of my own guilt today. I almost feel in my gut that I have to act against my own nature and gifts and joys, that I have to be unhappy, in order to really be good. Sort of like saying that the eye has to avoid seeing and work real hard at hearing in order to be good. Pretty dumb, huh?</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s what happens when morality gets divorced from the actual person who is acting morally, and from the situation in which he or she is acting. Morality is reduced to a set of rules, which more and more become arbitrary and unrealistic. No wonder our culture has such an abhorrence of rules and restrictions: we know deep down that there&#8217;s something wrong with a demand for obedience for obedience&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if we recognize that we don&#8217;t have to reinvent morality from scratch every second of every day, and that rules are meant to remind us of our nature rather than force us to work against it, then morality becomes much less of a burden. I can relax a little, because I only have to ask, &#8220;Does this action fit with my own nature and abilities in this situation?&#8221; I don&#8217;t have to agonize over whether it&#8217;s &#8220;right&#8221; or not, whether it&#8217;s the &#8220;best possible action&#8221; or anything like that. I&#8217;m here. Something needs doing. If I can do it, great! If not, well, not much I can do about it and feeling guilty isn&#8217;t going to help matters any.</p>
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		<title>Love is the form of the virtues</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One great thing about <em>After Virtue</em> is the way MacIntyre lays out the differences between various historical theories of virtue. And this has made me aware that I&#8217;ve been assuming something I really shouldn&#8217;t assume.</p>
<p>That is, I&#8217;ve assumed that the highest and primary virtue is Love, or Charity. All the other virtues are only virtues insofar as they develop a person&#8217;s ability to love.</p>
<p>I base this, of course, on my Christian beliefs. Jesus commanded his disciples to love: love their neighbors as themselves; love their enemies and persecutors; love one another as he loves them.</p>
<p>But other cultures have placed different virtues at the top of the pile. For most of the ancient Greeks, it seems Justice was the primary virtue, and they would have had no idea of this Christian kind of Love. For others, such as many Romans, Law or Obedience might have claimed primacy. For still others, such as Nietzsche and his followers in Existentialism, pure Will would have guided their moral thinking.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m in no way shaken in my belief that Love is the form of all the other virtues. But I&#8217;m reminded that it&#8217;s not something I can take for granted that others believe. It&#8217;s something I need to support and develop, rather than just assume.</p>
<p>&#8216;Cause we all know what happens when we assume things.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually dreamed about &#8220;Lost&#8221; last night. Scary. I should definitely talk to my therapist about that. Anyway, here&#8217;s something approaching a thoughtful response to the &#8220;Lost&#8221; series finale, and actually to &#8220;Lost&#8221; as a whole. Needless to say, there will be SPOILERS in this post, so if you haven&#8217;t yet seen the finale, you [...]]]></description>
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<p>I actually dreamed about &#8220;Lost&#8221; last night. Scary. I should definitely talk to my therapist about that.</p>
<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s something approaching a thoughtful response to the &#8220;Lost&#8221; series finale, and actually to &#8220;Lost&#8221; as a whole. Needless to say, there will be <strong>SPOILERS</strong> in this post, so if you haven&#8217;t yet seen the finale, you can <a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/151655/lost-the-end#s-p1-so-i0" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.hulu.com/watch/151655/lost-the-end_s-p1-so-i0?referer=');">watch it on Hulu</a>. And if you haven&#8217;t seen the rest of the series, well, most of what I say won&#8217;t make sense anyway.</p>
<h3>What &#8220;Lost&#8221; found</h3>
<p>Let me start with what I loved about &#8220;Lost.&#8221;</p>
<p>First and foremost, Hugo &#8220;Hurley&#8221; Reyes. Easily the heart of the show, Hurley has been the only character I have never lost hope for, and my hope was not disappointed. As soon as Jacob&#8217;s &#8220;candidates&#8221; were mentioned, I declared that I wanted Hurley to end up as the new Jacob. He was the only one whom I would trust with The Island, and I&#8217;m pleased to see that the writers agreed with me.</p>
<p>I loved that it ended with &#8220;nobody dies alone&#8221;. A major theme of the whole show was the forming and challenging of relationship and of community. As a Catholic, I see shadows of the idea of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communion_of_saints" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communion_of_saints?referer=');">communion of saints</a> here, and the idea that none of us ever is utterly alone or disconnected from the rest of humanity.</p>
<p>I was super-pleased to see Sayid and Ben find a kind of redemption. I was particularly worried about Sayid after he lost his emotions, but it&#8217;s clear that his growth in virtue over the years was not lost &#8211; not entirely, anyway.</p>
<p>I could go on for hours listing all the details and small beauties of the show, but I&#8217;ll simply say that I loved the fact that the writers took each and every character (with the possible exception of Kate, who at times seemed little more than the prize that Jack and Sawyer were competing for,) seriously, and gave each one room to grow and develop. I loved that they took the mystery of The Island seriously, and left even Jacob a bit in the dark (so to speak) about the Light. I loved that they took morality seriously, and showed how each character&#8217;s choices formed and changed his or her personality. Despite the bizarre and sometimes inexplicable turns of events, the writers basically kept the characters real, and that invited me (and the rest of the viewing public, I hope,) to give the show what Tolkien called &#8220;secondary belief&#8221;: an honor due only to a really creative (or sub-creative) world.</p>
<h3>My problems with &#8220;Lost&#8221;</h3>
<p>That said, &#8220;Lost&#8221; was far from perfect. And the finale in particular brought out a number of the most serious problems with the show. Being a hyper-critical kind of guy, I just can&#8217;t let those imperfections pass without comment.</p>
<p>To start with, the &#8220;LA story&#8221; of this final season ultimately didn&#8217;t hold together for me. I get that it&#8217;s a kind of purgatory, but I don&#8217;t quite get Eloise Hawking&#8217;s warnings to Desmond &#8211; does she really know what kind of reality she&#8217;s in? And I don&#8217;t entirely understand the presence of Jack&#8217;s son. Is this a &#8220;younger Jack&#8221; (like the &#8220;younger Jacob&#8221; that appeared on the Island)? And what does Ben still have to work through in this &#8220;place&#8221;? Maybe his relationship with his father? Not really clear.</p>
<p>Most of all, the whole, &#8220;This is a place you created together, so that you could find each other again,&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t make the connection that I think they&#8217;re trying to make to their life on The Island. It makes it all feel like a gimmick to get the whole cast back together for a sentimental ending. I think I would have bought, &#8220;This is a gift from the Island for the service each of you provided,&#8221; or something along those lines, but the way it was is just metaphysically muddy to say the least.</p>
<p>Which actually brings me back to The Island. From the first season, The Island was developed as a kind of living being, with a will and a character of its own. I think the &#8220;Across the Sea&#8221; episode was intended to draw together the threads of The Island&#8217;s own story. But come on &#8230; a Light at the Heart of The Island &#8211; oooh! I want something a little more.</p>
<p>My main question about The Island throughout the series has been, what is the connection between The Island and the rest of the world? And despite Alison Janney&#8217;s explanation that &#8220;if the light goes out there, it goes out everywhere,&#8221; I just don&#8217;t buy it. I need to see that there&#8217;s a real connection between the state of the Light on The Island and the state of &#8230; hope? humanity? something in the rest of the world. And when the Light is &#8220;uncorked&#8221; in the finale, well, it turns red, and dimmer, and Smokey becomes mortal, and the Island shakes, and&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t seem to affect the <em>persons</em> the way it should if the light within them is threatened. Wouldn&#8217;t they all have become like Sayid, or like the Smoke Monster? or something?</p>
<p>So, ultimately, I&#8217;m left wondering what the whole point of The Island is in the first place. I wonder what really would have been so bad about the Light going out and The Island sinking into the sea. What difference would it make?</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s a rather disappointing place to be.</p>
<h3>And, in the end&#8230;</h3>
<p>As with the things I loved, I have tons of nit-picks that aren&#8217;t worth going into. Overall, &#8220;Lost&#8221; was an ambitious and often inspiring show, and I don&#8217;t regret a moment I spent watching it. Maybe it failed in its ultimate aim, but the effort was a worthy one on every count, and I have learned a great deal about myself and about telling stories from the show.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s quite a lot for one show to accomplish.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pardon me while I get all philosophical for a bit. Those who have known me a while know that I suffer from clinical depression. The meds and some good therapy have that pretty well under control; but it&#8217;s linked to something that is beyond the scope of medical science. I have a bad habit of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 260px"><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Auguste_Rodin_-_Grubleren_2005-02.jpg" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_Auguste_Rodin_-_Grubleren_2005-02.jpg?referer=');"><img title="Le Penseur - by Auguste Rodin" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Auguste_Rodin_-_Grubleren_2005-02.jpg" alt="" width="250" height="322" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Deep thoughts....</p></div></p>
<p>Pardon me while I get all philosophical for a bit.</p>
<p>Those who have known me a while know that I suffer from clinical depression. The meds and some good therapy have that pretty well under control; but it&#8217;s linked to something that is beyond the scope of medical science. I have a bad habit of asking, &#8220;What&#8217;s the meaning of life?&#8221; or, &#8220;What&#8217;s the point of it all?&#8221; or, closer to home, &#8220;What&#8217;s the point of <em>my</em> life?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Catholic; and I do buy the whole &#8220;know, love, and serve God in this life so that I may be happy with him forever in the next&#8221; idea. But it&#8217;s an idea: it&#8217;s words that I assent to in my mind, but that don&#8217;t always reach to my heart, or my gut &#8211; which is where those questions of meaning come from. In other words, I still ask, &#8220;What&#8217;s it mean to be happy with God?&#8221; or even, &#8220;Why did God make me in the first place?&#8221;</p>
<h3>The questions &#8220;Why?&#8221; and &#8220;What does it mean?&#8221;</h3>
<p>A good friend once suggested to me that most people &#8211; me included &#8211; put much more stock in what something <em>means</em> than what something <em>is,</em> and that this is a backwards way of living life. A person, or an experience, or even an object is only &#8220;significant&#8221; because it first exists in reality. A relationship has to be lived before it can &#8220;mean&#8221; anything.</p>
<p>He has an excellent point. I tend to over-think just about everything in my life, and on a cultural level it&#8217;s much easier to find &#8220;analysis&#8221; than it is to find &#8220;news.&#8221; There&#8217;s a certain cart-preceding-horse-ness about this whole approach.</p>
<p>At the same time, the question of meaning is one that just doesn&#8217;t go away. And, in terms of &#8220;what my life means,&#8221; anyway, I&#8217;m looking for something deeper than explanation or analysis. But it&#8217;s hard to say exactly what it is I am looking for. What am I asking when I ask &#8220;why?&#8221; or &#8220;what&#8217;s the point?&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s behind these questions, at least for me, is a sort of &#8220;what&#8217;s worthwhile about it?&#8221; or &#8220;is it any good?&#8221; And I think that&#8217;s what &#8220;a meaningful life&#8221; or an answer to &#8220;why?&#8221; would entail: I want to see and recognize what&#8217;s good about the world, and about my being in the world. I want to know that my life is good.</p>
<h3>Not just a moral good</h3>
<p>Now, this isn&#8217;t quite the same thing as, &#8220;I want to make the world a better place.&#8221; Of course, I want to be a morally good person: I want to be the kind of person who does kind and loving things, who makes living better for those around me, and so on.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s something that comes first: there&#8217;s the very fact that I&#8217;m alive, that I exist in the world at all.</p>
<p>Or, in more philosophical terms, is goodness convertible with being? Is existence itself good?</p>
<p>Now, for some people, that&#8217;s an absurd question. It&#8217;s obvious to them that it&#8217;s good to exist. But that&#8217;s not universally true. Besides quirky people like me, there&#8217;s the whole tradition of Buddhism. If I understand it correctly, Buddhism teaches that existence is an illusion, and that we can escape from the illusion &#8211; not into a greater reality, but into nothingness, into not-being. The way to save oneself from suffering is to escape from existing.</p>
<p>And yet, I have real experiences of the goodness of being. For me, being something of a nerd, the paradigmatic moment was sitting in high school chemistry when I suddenly understood the structure of the periodic table. It was beautiful. It was profound. It opened up the world to me. I just wanted to stare at the chart on the wall for hours on end.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard normal people describe similar experiences in watching a sunrise, or hearing music. Sometimes, it takes the form of awe at another person. Sometimes it&#8217;s falling in love.</p>
<p>The point is, it almost doesn&#8217;t matter that I&#8217;m there to see it; what matters is that this beautiful, wonderful thing exists. And if the periodic table is good &#8211; indeed, if anything at all is good &#8211; then that goodness is a part of the real world. In other words, the world has a &#8220;meaning,&#8221; a &#8220;point,&#8221; it&#8217;s &#8220;worthwhile,&#8221; at least as far as the periodic table goes.</p>
<p>And if I can recognize it, that recognition is also good. That means that, as far as my ability to recognize something good goes, I am good, worthwhile, and my life has some kind of meaning.</p>
<p>Ditto for everybody else in the world.</p>
<p>Now, this isn&#8217;t an air-tight proof that any- and everything that exists is good by its very existence (though I think it&#8217;s a step toward that), but it does remind me that the burden of proof lies with pessimism. I have the ability to recognize good in all sorts of things, including myself.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not bad.</p>
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