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Can atheists be virtuous?

Posted in Aristotle, Good, Reality by Robert
Jan 21 2010
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Matthew Archibold, whom I only know from his blogging, wrote a post entitled “Atheists love you. They just don’t know why.” Therein he describes the impossibility of deriving a transcendent ethic from a materialist worldview. Here’s a snippet:

I have to wonder from what philosophical grounding does Dawkins’ altruism emanate? Why is other human life worth anything if there is no God? From what philosophical groundwork is he basing his good works on? Dawkins, it would seem to me, hasn’t defined his terms and is only borrowing our definition of “good.” Because without our definitions he’d have to ask the question, “What is good without God?” And that’s something I haven’t seen answered yet.

Atheists and agnostics and skeptics – oh my!

Let me say up front that I (partly) agree with Archibold’s conclusion. But I think his reasoning is too muddy to pass muster, and therefore is not very useful.

Aristotle defines good as “that at which all things aim” or, essentially, the object of desire. This is not the hedonist manifesto it first appears to be; rather, it is saying that our desire is like a sense calibrated to detect goodness in the way that our eyes are calibrated to detect light.

In other words, according to Aristotle, goodness is a real thing out in the world that we can experience directly and point to.

Now, Aristotle certainly thought that gods, and a Prime Mover above the gods, existed. So he was no atheist in that respect. But his notion of God (with a capital G) was so distant as to be unrecognizable as the Christian Trinity. One could perhaps argue that it was closer to the Muslim Allah, but the Muslims never really took to Aristotle’s notions of God, so that’s debatable. And the Hindu Brahman is even more transcendent – and impersonal, to boot – than Aristotle’s ideas.

And yet, all these traditions have a notion of “good” that is pretty much the same thing. Aristotle’s definition makes sense, even if people would tweak it in one way or another.

So I would say that Dawkins isn’t borrowing the concept of “good” from religion generally or from Christianity specifically. Nor the concept of giving aid, nor the notion of virtue. After all, it’s not hard to find examples of altruistic atheists from various points in history.

What is good without God?

But I said above that I basically agreed with his conclusion, that morality and virtue is impossible without God. Here’s why.

As soon as we encounter something, say, a bowl of oatmeal, one of the things that happens is desire (or the flip side of the coin, aversion). It’s an instantaneous judgment once we recognize it as oatmeal: we want it or we don’t. Can’t help it. It’s part of being human.

We also desire abstract things, immaterial things, like justice or wisdom. As soon as we form the concept in our minds, we label it as “good” or “bad”.

Now, at this point, a strictly materialist universe is out the window as far as I see. Where, in a strictly materialist universe, does the experience of anything “immaterial” come from? How can there be abstraction if there is nothing abstract in reality?

But beyond that, I’m also strongly of the school that nothing comes from nothing. So, wherever this world came from, however it was formed, it had to come from some principle at least as capable of abstraction and desire as we are. Which, more or less, is what Aristotle meant by God (with a capital G).

Note that I’m not saying anyone has to believe in God to be virtuous. Nor am I saying that any one religion is wrong (though I’m happy to discuss Christianity privately with anyone). Just saying that desire indicates to me that goodness is real, and that it has to come from somewhere, just like everything else.

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  • Amy:

    This is an aside, triggered by your fun billboard sign. :)

    For a while I patronized a site with many active forums, including one on atheism. What intrigued me was the furor of many of the atheists on the board. I can’t tell you how many posts went by attempting to “logically” discredit creationists. The posts also generally descended into calling creationists idiots and by extension, any belief in God.

    In their worldview, it didn’t appear possible to believe in a Darwinin evolution *and* God or to understand creationism as an important point of faith/agreement for certain religious communities rather than a serious dispute with the scientific community.

    By the time I realized I need to stop wasting time on the forum, I could definitely see the criticism I had heard of some atheists being “religious” to the point of zealousness about their supposedly logical stance. It was just an interesting moment for me into some human nature.

    Reply 21 January 2010 at 2.04 pm
  • Nessa:

    I’m going to have to side with Mr. Archibold, although I might want to go read his post in its entirety first. But that would take effort and I’m tired. :P

    You and I have discussed a little of my religious philosophies, and while I don’t think I’m an atheist, part of my problem with believing in Christianity is the notion of an external god. Why can’t God be within each of us instead of the scary man looking over our shoulders, to whom we crawl begging for approval? Why can’t I be a good person, in and of my own self, if I don’t believe in God? One might argue that an atheist doing good is a MORE true show of altruism since they aren’t doing it out of fear of hell or desire to please an external force.

    Reply 21 January 2010 at 3.26 pm
  • Amy:

    “Why can’t God be within each of us instead of the scary man looking over our shoulders, to whom we crawl begging for approval?”

    This is what Quakers believe, which is why they are pacifists by definition.

    Reply 22 January 2010 at 5.38 am
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